So-called Independent Addison County Senate Candidate, "Senator" Robert "Needed Killin'" Wagner, Tries to Finess the Unions and Addison County Voters

I wasn't very surprised when I saw this post on "Senator" Robert "Needed Killin' " Wagner's rambling Facebook page.  Wagner is the Vermont secession movement's candidate for one of Addison County's Senate seats who poses as an "independent."  Wagner is, in truth, a committed, hardcore secesher who, beyond having said that one Addison County resident "needed killin'", hates the Union, Vermont's governmental institutions, virtually all statewide office holders and the legislative community (people who have been elected by their neighbors to serve in a variety of offices, something Wagner has never done), private property and assets, as well as all of the Vermont school system

Typically, the not ever likely to be "Senator" Wagner doesn't tell the whole truth, much like when he gave his position on education to the Addison Independent during his decidedly failed 2010 run for the Vermont Senate here.

You can find what Wagner really thinks by going through the archives of the Vermont secession movement's super secret "Free Vermont" listserv, a place where the seceshers chatted unguardedly since they thought Vermonters wouldn't find them out.  At the time of this beaut, Wagner was using one of his pseudonyms on the listserv, Roderick Sticomythia; it comes from his "Position Papers 8. Education":

"This won't make me any friends, but I am against public education. It is a bad idea and a drain on community wealth, and it should be abolished. The large central schools which require mass driving and busing should be re-purposed; perhaps as shelters to house the suburbanites whose single-family homes in the sprawl will become worthless without affordable fuel to get there and back."

"I am in favour of a return to small community-based and community-run schools, the smaller the better. Children need to be able to walk to school or be a short enough distance to make the trip economically feasible in post-peak-oil Vermont."

"I am against government-imposed standards of any kind, whether they be directed at the classroom, at the administration, or at the physical building itself. Montpelier has far exceeded its authority in the extension of standards into schools; first consolidating schools into large districts and closing down the small schoolhouses, and then failing to block US standards such as 'No Child Left Behind' and 'Race to the Top'. It all ends here and now."

"Government may not impose standards; however, Vermont's children lag behind the rest of the world in many areas. We should be providing tools and funds for schools to re-introduct(sic) young Vermonters to the rest of the world; through cultural exchange, language learning, the metric system, and many other areas. This is where public investment draws huge dividends."

Monday, December 14, 2009 13:18:21

Dennis "Hit List" Morrisseau chimed in later that day with a reply to Wagner's pseudonymous post:

"I happen to agree. Only people that might not is the entire teacher's union and all present overloaded bureaucratic (personal profit oriented!) structure."

"I strongly agree with this. Further, I will bet most Vermonters do."

"But if we provoke the T(eacher)'s Unions too early in our campaign they will be a HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS.....AND A VERY BIG BLOCKING FORCE. (ALL CAPS Denny's) This is one of the few places where i might want us to hold our punches until later....... Your thoughts?"

Monday, December 14, 2009 20:04:58

Naturally, there was no objection from Wagner/Sticomythia or any of the other secesher boneheads on the thread to Denny's design to hide what they intended until they were elected.  Wagner is right about one thing though, he's not going to be making any friends by opposing public education.  No wonder he hid his position at the secret listserv rather than tell the press or put it on his websites during his 2010 run or this go around by him for 2012.  Figures.

Wagner's Democratic opponents in this year's run for Addison County's two Senate seats, incumbent Claire Ayer and running mate Chris Bray, would do well to research some of Wagner's other positions on the searchable listserv.

Meanwhile, in another matter related to Wagner's conflicting positions, there's been no word yet about whether Wagner will be returning the $288.30 Federal subsidy he received while flying out of the airport in Rutland, VT, which is exactly the kind of Federal subsidy that he "is strongly opposed to" and has argued harms Vermonters that I revealed he'd hypocritically availed himself of (as in sticking his snout in the federal money trough) here. Wagner must publicly give back that subsidy money or he'll be exposed for the hypocritical fraud that many of us Vermonters know him to be.

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For the archive of the Free Vermont Framework listserv, click here.

"Senator" Robert "Needed Killin'" Wagner Chats About Campaigns Past and Present

Senator Robert "Needed Killin'" Wagner, Vermont secessionist candidate for one of Addison County's senate seats, likes to maintain a big, restricted (as in the old 30s, 40s and 50s meaning of the term as it applies to Jews) tent on his Facebook page.

I found this gem of a chat from his 2010 campaign in his Facebook photo album:


Is Wagner an anti-Semite like his secesher allies who post articles from known anti-Semites at their websites Second Vermont Republic and Vermont Commons where Wagner also maintains a tad unhinged blog? Certainly responding to an obviously anti-Semitic remark about the "Jew Mafia" uncritically has to make one think that Wagner is courting such support and, perhaps, more than a little sympathetic himself to the notion that Jews operate like a criminal enterprise that controls courts, the government and media.

Now, as if to show that his delusions about elections haven't progress much beyond the muddled state that they were in two years ago, here's the most recent post from his Facebook page today:


On the world where Wagner lives it's of no importance that Vermont legislators have no legal authority, nor can they assert same, over Vermont Army and Air National Guard assignments. Wagner sees politics as a game where the greatest ape who beats his chest hardest prevails.

Given that Sen. Claire Ayer (D-Addison) has been the number one vote getter for years and that Wagner seems only to be capable of locking up the 4% of drooling idiots who mistake bluster for competence, it'll be interesting to see what this year's results look like. Wagner may do a little better since there is no Republican in the race thus far and some Republicans can't ever vote for a Democrat, whether it be Sen. Ayer or her fellow Dem in the race, former Rep. Chris Bray. But we do know that Republicans will vote for idiots (read: Bush), so Wagner may pick up a few votes there. That is, unless the Republicans learn that Wagner backs an economic policy based on the confiscatory Henry George/Karl Marx model. Wagner's plans for private property in Vermont make Stalin's own actions look benign.

And, of course, Wagner's statement about his neighbor, Rep. Willem Jewett (D-Ripton), is utterly nonsensical in that Rep. Jewett is running unopposed in 2012. Maybe Wagner'll get a few people to write in his name for representative in the August 28 Republican primary for representative from Ripton. Why not? His sole secessionist running mate from up in Franklin County, Peter Moss, is also running for the U.S. Senate in addition to the Vermont Senate. Wagner wouldn't have a chance of winning either the senate or the representative seats but it'd sure give him a practical gauge of what his Ripton neighbors think of his nutty economics.

Meanwhile, in another matter related to Wagner's conflicting positions, there's been no word yet about whether Wagner will be returning the $288.30 Federal subsidy he received while flying out of the airport in Rutland, VT, which is exactly the kind of Federal subsidy that he "is strongly opposed to" and has argued harms Vermonters that I revealed he'd hypocritically availed himself of (as in sticking his snout in the federal money trough) here. Wagner must publicly give back that subsidy money or he'll be exposed for the hypocritical fraud that many of us Vermonters know him to be.

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For the archive of the Free Vermont Framework listserv, click here.

It's Independents Day!

No, that's not a typo although I make my fair share. Sometimes it takes years to notice and correct them but the point here is to mention a few, if not all, of the independents running for congressional, statewide and legislative offices in the 2012 election cycle.

First though, as many of the regular readers of this blog know, I've been poking fun at the wouldbe "Senator" Robert "Needed Killin' " Wagner's boast that he had 6 people lined up to run for the Vermont Senate (although he could only name 5) and that he was seeking 24 more to replace the whole Senate with secessionists for the past year. Wagner never got around to naming his sixth person but he has spent a lot of bandwidth spouting off about topics where he clearly has nailed down the fringe position, such as his Marxist-Lenist-Stalinist-lite economic pablum called Georgism. But more on that at another time.

The Vermont Secretary of State's Office has just released its draft list of independent candidates here containing the typical 30+ names of many well intended sorts who'd like to make a difference but who are for the most part clueless as to how to go about doing so. True, there's the occasional political tiger like Bernie Sanders but he's very much the exception to the rule.

This year's slate contains a mother and son congressional duo; a few candidates seeking multiple seats, one of whom favors acronym encrusted solutions while another claims disability from an STD; others are bona fide independents who have contributed to their community and serve in the legislature; and then there are others who'd just like to get to play politician too but haven't figured out the system is geared to Duverger's Law.

"In political science, Duverger's law is a principle which asserts that a plurality rule election system tends to favor a two-party system."

The only secesher that I can find thus far in addition to Wagner is his pal Peter Moss. I've gone over the Secretary of State's draft list here and can't seem to find the three other names that Wagner had listed for the past year as being part of his "The Vermont 30" scheme - the murderously anti-Semitic Dennis Morrisseau, the very angry Peter Garritano

"My name is Peter Garritano. I am constanly pissed off but don't show it. I bite my tongue quite often and vent by writing and screaming at other drivers while alone in my car..."

Source

and the nobody Michael Patno who is a longtime pal of the baas of the Second Vermont Republic, the Dixie singin' Thomas H. Naylor.

From Wagner's website:

I'd thought that I'd be spending the next four months introducing Vermonters to "The 30" secesher wannabes with facts that they'd rather Vermonters not know about them but I guess that's not to be. Looks like I'm left with one befuddled old man and Wagner's raging id - he's announced that he's targeting Addison County's senator who has an impressive personal history of contributing to her community and county, Claire Ayer (D-Weybridge) with what he's promised will be one of the most negative campaigns in recent memory. It'll do.

Meanwhile, in another matter related to Wagner's conflicting positions, there's been no word yet about whether Wagner will be returning the $288.30 Federal subsidy he received while flying out of the airport in Rutland, VT, which is exactly the kind of subsidy that he "is strongly opposed to" and has argued harms Vermonters that I revealed he'd hypocritically availed himself of (as in sticking his snout in the federal money trough) here. Wagner must publicly give back that Federal subsidy money or he'll be exposed for the hypocritical fraud that many of us Vermonters know him to be.

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For the archive of the Free Vermont Framework listserv, click here.

Addison County's Announced Secessionist Senate Candidate Robert Wagner Says That This Vermonter "Needed Killin' "

By now I've become a bit insulated from how weird Ripton resident and profoundly ineffectual political gadfly Robert Wagner can be. Merely weird would be calling himself "Senator" when he's never been elected to any office; merely weird would be referring to members of Vermont's General Assembly as his "learned colleagues"; merely weird would be railing on and on about the evils of federal subsidies and then taking one for himself on the sly when he thought no one would notice; merely weird would be trying to slip a secession poison pill into an ordinance proposal that sought to bypass both the Planning Commission and the Town Meeting petition process.

Today I found that Robert Wagner had transitioned from merely weird to full on batshit crazy weird.

On one of his several Facebook pages I saw this creepy exchange between him and another Ripton resident, Robin Blair Lewis in a post that he strangely titled "Good News. A Vermonter exonerated for being a Vermonter." The post was about an event that can only be described as a tragedy that occurred at a Vergennes, VT convenience store. (NB: Robin Blair Lewis' FB page and links on Wagner's FB page have fluttered on and off - will update as necessary. 3/21)

That's right, Lewis' response to Wagner's saying that the woman "needed killin' " was,

"NEEDED KILLIN'. Lol, always good to hear other people feel the same way I do."

Lol?

The backstory to this sad affair was that a 34 year old African-American woman with a drug history attempted to rob a convenience store in Vergennes, VT. The store "clerk on duty wrestled a knife away from Sprauve and held her down on the floor. She was unresponsive when police arrived and died on the way to the hospital."

Consistent with state law,

"The medical examiner ruled Sprauve's death a homicide, saying pressure on her chest from Phillips holding her down in combination with acute cocaine intoxication caused her heart to stop."

"Addison County State's Attorney David Fenster says no criminal charges will be brought against Phillips."

Had the woman survived she would have probably faced a potential 15 year sentence for her crime. But, according to the self-declared secessionist candidate for the Addison County senate seat presently held by Claire Ayer (D-Addison) (thus revealing even more about his profound ignorance of Vermont's electoral process) Robert Wagner, Sprauve, a mother of four, "Needed killin'." Much as you'd expect, Wagner's giddy, blood lusting Facebook colleague and neighbor, Robin Blair Lewis, even offers tips for how to deal with those that "(Need) killin'."

Wagner's political mentor, the Magnolia Vermonter and Dixie singin' baas of the moribund Second Vermont Republic said to Boston Globe columnist Alex Beam last year,

"In a left-wing state like Vermont, politics are basically grounded in anger and fear."

In truth it's been Naylor and his "small community" of seceshers that have sought repeatedly to inject anger and fear in Vermont politics.

In 2010, the nutters that comprised the secessionist slate of conspiracy addled, power needy candidates chatted in what they thought was a private listserv about just such things. One, Gaelan Brown, suggested that lying legislators should be charged with a "capital offense" - yeah, that's right, legislators who, according to some secesher asshole have lied, "(need) killin' ." And these are the guys (Wagner & Brown) that Thomas H. Naylor innocently described as his "Internet cowboys."

Hmm, "killin' " drugged moms or lying legislators; is that a slippery slope that Vermonters expect their would be leaders to be advocating on behalf of? And don't forget that Wagner has accused all of Vermont's legislators of stealing from all Vermonters. Is the Vermont State House Sergeant at Arms staff keeping an eye on this guy when he's roaming the building with his backpack of grudges? Just askin'.

And when "Senator" Wagner says that some people "(need) killin'," are he and his allies just sayin' that there are some Vermonters that deserve to be killed? If so, I'd like to hear his list of offenses that he would apply his "needed killin' " standard to besides armed robbers with a drug addiction. Would that also apply to the white, armed with a gun, 20 year old robber who just got 90 days for the stick-up he successfully pulled off in Barre last December?

News sources for this post can be found here, here, here and here

Meanwhile, in another matter related to Wagner's conflicting positions, there's been no word yet about whether Wagner will be returning the $288.30 subsidy he received while flying out of the airport in Rutland, VT, which is exactly the kind of subsidy that he "is strongly opposed to" and has argued harms Vermonters that I revealed he'd hypocritically availed himself of (as in sticking his snout in the federal money trough) here. Wagner must publicly give back that subsidy money or he'll be exposed for the hypocritical fraud that many of us Vermonters know him to be.

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For the archive of the Free Vermont Framework listserv, click here.

"Senator" Wagner Makes It Official!

At this point, he's going to make his likely to lose, fringer campaign for the Vermont Senate possibly the dirtiness, most negative, dishonest campaign in Addison county history and perhaps, although we've yet to see, in Vermont campaigns for a seat in the General Assembly.

You see, in Robert Wagner's world, a world unfamiliar to his neighbors in Ripton and the people he purports to represent (although he's never won an election anywhere that I can find, except in his head) in the Addison County-Brandon Vermont Senate district, all members of the Vermont legislature are dishonest; in fact, he calls them all thieves here and enablers of corporate theft:

"(International corporations... in Vermont) suck our natural resources dry, we build roads so their trucks can take our groundwater and minerals out-of-state for processing… and they pay no taxes… they’re stealing from us, and our Legislature helps them steal."

Wagner then drives home the point that he's talking about Sen. Claire Ayer (D-Addison):

"My opponent in the 2010 & 2012 elections, incumbent Claire Ayer, stated in a public meeting last Summer[sic] that going after Entergy for fines would be “too hard”. (Much less vote to shut down that leaker that they’re running into the ground.)"

"A double standard. My learned colleagues in the State House get to APPEAR to be antinuclear. Entergy’s in business to make a buck… and Entergy wouldn’t be making any bucks if the Legislature weren’t helping them left and right with environmental subsidies, exemptions, and special tax-free status."

"Too hard indeed. Radioactive tritium has been leaking into soil and water around the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant, Entergy officials misled state regulators and lawmakers by saying the plant didn’t have the kind of underground piping that carried tritium, and no fine. Ayer’s really saying that Vermonters will pay part of Entergy’s cost of doing business, keeping electricity costs low through public subsidy… so her party looks good."

"That’s all the incumbents have to offer folks: politics as usual."

Wagner doesn't accurately represent Ayer's position vis à vis why it would be "too hard," he just rails on about Entergy as though that's all that's needed to justify a legal fine.

But one need only look at his statement, "My learned colleagues in the State House," to get a true sense of how deluded Wagner is about his role in the legislature - he has none. He's never once been elected to the legislature, so such posturing is a lie.

You can see the rest of his angry, cut-and-paste ramble here.

I'll have more soon on Wagner's apparent vendettas, self-esteem issues and ongoing delusions.

In the meantime, I submit that candidate Wagner should at least do as his declared opponent has done, someone who he claims is dishonest, which is to disclose who his contributors are and what his campaign expenses have been (something neither he nor any of his past secesher legislative "colleagues" did in 2010), as his declared opponent Claire Ayer has already done months ago here, despite her not having reached the statutorily require threshold.

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